01 Oct 2003: Create Group: uk.comp.security.firebrick
From: Mark Goodge <m.goodge@nospam.ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:49:02 +0100
Subject: RESULT: Creation of group 'uk.comp.security.firebrick' FAILS as +12 requirement not met.
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net,alt.internet.providers.uk.aaisp,alt.firebrick
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RESULT: Creation of group 'uk.comp.security.firebrick' FAILS as +12
requirement not met.
(Please note that, due to the known ability of the "swen" virus to
harvest addresses from news postings, all email addresses in this
results posting, including the votetaker's "from" and "reply-to"
addresses, are spamtrapped or munged. I regret the necessity for
this, but consider these circumstances sufficiently exceptional
to warrant breaking the usual rules)
Summary: Creation of group 'uk.comp.security.firebrick' received 41
votes in favour and 37 against, with 3 abstentions. This fails to
meet the requirement for a winning margin of 12 or greater.
Therefore, the proposal fails.
Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 19th September 2003.
Proponent : David Mahon <dmahonRFD at amigo dot co dot uk>
Votetaker: Mark Goodge <m dot goodge at ukvoting dot org dot uk>
Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce
uk.net.news.config
uk.net
alt.internet.providers.uk.aaisp
alt.firebrick
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The full results follow below in the following order:
1) Information on the ballot
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetaker's Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Information
6) Rationale and Proposal (from the CFV)
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INFORMATION ON THE BALLOT
Voters were asked to show their preference on a single Yes/No
question: Create group 'uk.comp.security.firebrick'?
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RESULTS
There were 88 vote emails received:
81 Valid and counted votes
3 Invalid votes (all of which were corrected by the voter on
the 2nd submission and are included in the counted votes)
1 Duplicate vote (acknowledged both times, in case the voter
was having email problems, but only counted once)
1 Vote cancellation (not included in the published results)
2 Technically valid votes subsequently discarded by the votetaker
(see below)
Of the 81 valid and counted votes received, the preferences were:
Yes: 41
No: 37
Abstain: 3
Under the Voting Procedures for the uk.* Hierarchy, a winning option
must have at least 12 YES votes more than NO votes. In this case, the
winning margin did not reach this number and the proposal therefore
fails.
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INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS
Name Email Vote
Adrian Wise adrian?adrianwise/co/uk Yes
Alastair alastair_voting?hotmail/com Yes
Alex alex?letmethink/co/uk Yes
Alex D. Baxter alex-news?oenone/demon/co/uk No
Alex Monro alexm?pobox/com Yes
Ali Hopkins fn62?dial/pipex/com No
Andrew Hearn andrew/hearn?aaisp/net/uk Yes
Andrew Hodgson andrew?hodgsonfamily/org No
Anthony R. Gold bigfoot?davros/org Yes
Badger badger?housemartin/f9/co/uk No
Barry Dorrans barryd?idunno/org No
BigAl bigal/home?virgin/net No
Bob Eager rde42?spamcop/net Yes
Bob Scott bob?Bobandaileen/co/uk No
Brett Paul Dunbar brett?dimetrodon/demon/co/uk No
Brian Brian?bjforster/force9/co/uk No
Chris Hill news1?plantain/org/uk Yes
Cliff Hones voter?cliff/hones/org/uk Yes
Dave H dmh?dmh/org/uk Abstain
Dave J. requiem?freeuk/com No
Dave Mason xucsf?sarnie/org/uk No
Dave Mayall david/mayall?ukonline/co/uk No
Dave Williams dave?clues/com No
David Mahon vote_ucsf?amigo/co/uk Yes
David Small davids?4oceans/com Yes
David Taylor davidt-news?yadt/co/uk Yes
Dick Gaughan dickg?dickalba/demon/co/uk No
Fearghas McKay fm?st-kilda/org Yes
fred fred?fredc/demon/co/uk Yes
Gareth Jayne gaz?gazmond/co/uk Yes
Geoff Wilson geoff/wilson?dsl/pipex/com No
Graham Drabble graham/drabble?lineone/net Abstain
Hugh Pritchard Hugh/Pritchard?AdvancedTechnologyLtd/co/uk Yes
Ian Jackson ijackson?chiark/greenend/org/uk No
Ian Northeast ian?house-from-hell/demon/co/uk No
James Bentall james?bentall/net Yes
James Farrar londonstatto?yahoo/co/uk No
James Gardiner jamesg?womble/org Yes
JBM jpb8?duke/edu Yes
Jeff McGhie jeff?mcghie/me/uk Yes
Jim Crowther jim?crowfam/org/uk Yes
Julie Brandon julie-vote?computergeeks/co/uk Yes
kat katnews?ntlworld/com No
Ken Green Ken/Green?kgcc/co/uk Yes
Kevin Hones kev?watchfront/co/uk Yes
Lt. Cmdr. Jim jim?us-lot/org Abstain
Malcolm Mladenovic ukvotes?tinc/org/uk No
Mark May news01?tamani/org Yes
Martin Cooper usenet?martinc/me/uk Yes
Matthew Balyuzi matthew?balyuzi/net Yes
Michael Parry michaelj/parry?ntlworld/com Yes
Mike Bristow mike?urgle/com No
Mike Fleming mike?tauzero/co/uk No
Mike Zanker mike?zanker/org Yes
Neil Pollicott neil?cti-uk/com Yes
Nick Barnes nick?bcn-it/co/uk Yes
Nick Perry nick/perry?amulation/co/uk Yes
Paul Cummins paul?cummins/ie/eu/org Yes
Paul Giverin paul?giverin/co/uk No
Paul Harper paul?harper/net No
paul {voter}?watman/clara/co/uk No
Pekka P. Pirinen ppp?pirinen/demon/co/uk No
Pete Fenelon pete?fenelon/com No
Peter Hutchinson peter?hcs-ltd/net Yes
Peter Smyth psmyth?ukf/net No
Pete The Gardener pete_the_gardener?hotmail/com No
Rev Adrian Kennard '?o/gg Yes
Richard Clayton richard?highwayman/com No
Richard Lamont richard?lamont/me/uk Yes
Richard Smith spam_all_you_want?yahoo/com Yes
Rick Payne rickp?rossfell/co/uk Yes
Robert Woolley rob?robertwoolley/co/uk Yes
Scott Taylor taylorscott67?yahoo/co/uk No
Shaun Kemp shaun?aaisp/net/uk Yes
Stan Dorrington stan/dorrington?ianwilliams/co/uk Yes
Steve Firth voting?malloc/co/uk No
Stuart O'Donnell spod?venicones/demon/co/uk No
Thomas Lee tfl?psp/co/uk No
^Thunder^ Thunder?ukessex/org/uk No
Tim Miller Tim/Miller?nera/com No
Zonky webmaster?dialup-web/net No
Discarded votes:
Tim Lee Tim?datapath/co/uk
Rabbit RabbitsComputers?hotmail/com
These were discarded under the rules stated in paragraph 5 of
"The Result" of The Voting Procedures for uk.* as having been
submitted by the same person in an apparent attempt to bypass the
"one person, one vote" restrictions.
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VOTETAKER'S COMMENTS
This vote was made more awkward than usual by the excessively large
number of people who seemed unable to read the instructions on the
ballot paper. What is it about "delete this line and everything above
it" that is so hard to understand? Also, I had to be very generous with
some extremely badly mangled ballot papers, which would not have passed
any automated processing.
Two votes had to be discarded under the rules prohibiting multi-voting.
It should be noted that, under the current rules, *all* votes from
a multi-voter must be discarded. Therefore, none of the counted votes
are from the disqualified voter.
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VOTING AND APPEAL INFORMATION
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf
of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.
The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URLs:
<ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting>
<http://www.usenet.org.uk/voting.html>
The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.
Allegations of irregularity should be sent to the committee via email
to: <control at usenet dot org dot uk>.
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(The information in this and the following section is a copy of that
provided in the CFV)
RATIONALE from the last RFD
The group alt.firebrick already exists for discussion of the firewall
range named "Firebrick" produced by Watchfront Electronics and Andrews &
Arnold. Unfortunately alt.* does not always offer the best propagation
everywhere and occasionally it becomes apparent that there are problems
getting some ISPs to carry the group.
The product is manufactured in the UK and sells mainly to UK clients so
it seems sensible to have the group based in the uk.* hierarchy where it
should be well propagated.
This proposal has the support of the manufacturers.
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CHARTER
This group is for discussion of issues relating to the Firebrick
firewall range. This includes, but is not limited to, help with
configuration, notification of new firmware releases and discussion of
forthcoming products.
Advertising
Advertising is forbidden.
Binaries & Formatting
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are forbidden.
Posts must be readable as plain text. PGP signatures may be used, if
necessary, for proof of identity.
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