06 Mar 1999: uk.local.* Charter Change
From: Alan Fleming <af@contract.co.uk>
Date: 6 Mar 1999 23:00:55 -0000
Subject: RESULT - Amend newsgroup charters for all uk.local groups PASSES 170:12
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce
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RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES
Summary: uk.local.* Charter Changes
Amend newsgroup charters for all uk.local groups PASSES 170:12
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 16th February 1999.
Proponent: amabbett@bham-assist.demon.co.uk (Andy Mabbett)
Votetaker: af@contract.co.uk (Alan Fleming)
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Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.local.*
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The Results:
The results follow below in the following order:
1) Result
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers comments
4) Voting and Appeal guidelines
5) Rationale & Charter modification
PROPOSAL - Amend charters for all uk.local groups
YES = 170
NO = 12
ABSTAIN = 2
YES beat NO by a majority of 158 votes.
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The Particulars of the Vote
YES VOTES
A.J. Norman nja:*:leicester.ac !uk
Adrian Wontroba aw1:*:stade.co !uk
Al Howat al:*:eschaton.demon.co !uk
Alan J. Wylie alan.wylie:*:zen.co !uk
Alan Rayner alanr:*:lightnet.co !uk
Alastair Walker Alastair:*:telxon.demon.co !uk
Alex Dawson alex.dawson:*:uea.ac !uk
Alex Holden votes:*:alexh.claranet.co !uk
Alex Ray ajtr2:*:cam.ac !uk
Allan Beetlestone {A}:*:beetlestone.demon.co !uk
Andrew Harvey aharvey:*:itl !net
Andy Henson arh:*:cix.co !uk
Andy Mabbett amabbett:*:bham-assist.demon.co !uk
Andy McDade ajm:*:forfree !at
Andy Veitch ajv:*:sklr.demon.co !uk
Arwel Parry arwel:*:cartref.demon.co !uk
Barry Salter barrykas:*:salterg.demon.co !uk
Beth beth:*:flyboat.demon.co !uk
Bill Muskett bill.muskett:*:which !net
Billyboy billyboy:*:gto !net.om
Bruce Mardle bruce:*:algol.demon.co !uk
C Boothroyd cboothroyd:*:cix.co !uk
Calum I Mac Leod calum:*:bordernet.co !uk
Carol Turner carol:*:magpie.demon.co !uk
Chris Keen vote:*:aimless.demon.co !uk
Chris M. Dickson chris:*:dickson.demon.co !uk
Chris Watts chris:*:vineries.demon.co !uk
Clair Barrass clair:*:barrass1.freeserve.co !uk
Claire Speed c.speed:*:mcc.ac !uk
Colin Bell crb:*:art.co !uk
Colin McKenzie mckenzie:*:onlinegb !com
D.I. Redhouse dir21:*:cam.ac !uk
Damien van C. damien:*:ukmedics !com
Danny Collman ddcollman:*:hwthwood.demon.co !uk
Dave JW Day ukvote:*:stejonda.demon.co !uk
Dave Mayall david.mayall:*:ukonline.co !uk
Dave Millard dave:*:focus3.demon.co !uk
Dave Pearson dp:*:medphysics.leeds.ac !uk
Dave Sparks Dave.Sparks:*:sisyphus.demon.co !uk
David Blair david:*:upcs.demon.co !uk
David Budd d.budd:*:mcc.ac !uk
David Clapham Dave:*:community-spirit.demon.co !uk
David Damerell damerell:*:chiark.greenend.org !uk
David E Glass dave:*:btcf.demon.co !uk
David McKelvie Rosser Owen dro:*:dalhelve.demon.co !uk
David Morris David:*:davidm.demon.co !uk
David Richards vote.reply:*:dv-8.demon.co !uk
David Riley dave:*:dmriley.demon.co !uk
Deb Paget deb:*:snru-unn.demon.co !uk
Derek Stanley derek:*:boat-safety.demon.co !uk
Devi Jankowicz anima:*:devi.demon.co !uk
Doug Weller dweller:*:ramtops.demon.co !uk
Dr David White fluff:*:zetnet.co !uk
Dr John Betts dr:*:browser.demon.co !uk
Dr John Stockton jrs:*:merlyn.demon.co !uk
Duncan Dewar duncan:*:brandane.demon.co !uk
Dyfrig Thomas Dyfrig:*:siopywerin.demon.co !uk
Eddie Breeveld erb:*:mssl.ucl.ac !uk
Fran McGuinness fran:*:mcg-gsy.demon.co !uk
Gareth D. Reece Gareth:*:altfx.demon.co !uk
Geoff Berrow black-dog:*:geocities !com
Geraint Edwards ger:*:beff.demon.co !uk
Geraldine Messenbird Smith geraldine:*:messenbirdsmith.Freeserve.co !uk
Greg Chapman greg:*:home.cam.net !uk
Gregg Cummings cfv:*:hardboiled.demon.co !uk
Gwyn Evans gwyn.evans:*:opentrade.co !uk
Heather Colquhoun colquhoun.mob:*:zetnet.co !uk
Iain Heath Iain:*:the-pub3.demon.co !uk
Iain Tatch iain:*:deepsea.force9.co !uk
Ian Dinsdale ian:*:idinsdal.force9.co !uk
Ian Jelf ian:*:bluebadge.demon.co !uk
Ian Jennings ij:*:microware.demon.co !uk
Imran Ghory imrang:*:btinternet !com
J Reay j.reay:*:zetnet.co !uk
Jacques Hankin jacques:*:thecroft.demon.co !uk
James Coupe james:*:obeah.demon.co !uk
Jane Vernon jane:*:otbo.demon.co !uk
Jason Waghorn jason:*:ullscarf.demon.co !uk
Jeff Lewis jeff:*:rhondda.demon.co !uk
Jeremy McNeill jezza:*:hotwells.freeserve.co !uk
Jim Hill jim:*:jh-c.demon.co !uk
Jo Walton Jo:*:bluejo.demon.co !uk
John Bazeley jkb:*:cableinet.co !uk
John Blundell john:*:blundell.demon.co !uk
John C. Elliott herbie:*:tesco !net
John Clayton claude:*:orangenet.co !uk
John Dawson john:*:jondaw.demon.co !uk
John Grey john:*:thegreys.demon.co !uk
John Hall john:*:jhall.demon.co !uk
John Mallard john_mallard:*:lineone !net
John Sullivan john:*:yddraiggoch.demon.co !uk
Jon Plews jonplews:*:dial.pipex !com
Jonathan Wheeler J.F.Wheeler:*:rl.ac !uk
Joseph Otten joe.otten:*:virgin !net
Kath Collman Kath:*:hwthwood.demon.co !uk
Keith dysgwr:*:aol !com
Kevin Michael Sheehan kevin.sheehan:*:rhbnc.ac !uk
Lee Bumstead lee:*:bumstead.demon.co !uk
Les Kneeling les:*:lesk.demon.co !uk
Lesley Simpson nl:*:corwyn.demon.co !uk
Lyn David Thomas lyn:*:stuffing.demon.co !uk
Malcolm Hills malcolm:*:mdhills.demon.co !uk
Mark Raeburn Mark:*:phooey.demon.co !uk
Mark Tyndall mrt102:*:york.ac !uk
Marysia marysia:*:jadzia.demon.co !uk
Max Bone maxb:*:maxmax.demon.co !uk
Michael John Gayler gaylers:*:zetnet.co !uk
Michael Parry michael:*:unicorn-connection.co !uk
Mike Crowe mac:*:fysh !org
Mike Fleming mike:*:tauzero.demon.co !uk
Mike Henry mike:*:tw2 !com
Mike Mallett mike.mallett:*:zetnet.co !uk
Mike Slocombe mike:*:urban75 !com
Mike Swift mike.swift:*:yeton.demon.co !uk
Miles Batchelor miles_batchelor:*:bigfoot !com
Molly Mockford molly:*:orbs.demon.co !uk
Nick Leverton leveret:*:warren.demon.co !uk
Nick Meredith nick.m:*:zetnet.co !uk
Nigel A Campbell nigel:*:ncampbell.demon.co !uk
Nik Clayton nik:*:nothing-going-on.demon.co !uk
Omar Jamil oxj:*:dcs.ed.ac !uk
Pam Davies p.m.davies:*:leeds.ac !uk
Paul Herber pherber:*:pherber !com
Paul McRoy p.mcroy:*:zetnet.co !uk
Pekka P. Pirinen ppp:*:pirinen.demon.co !uk
Penny Mayes penny.m:*:orangenet.co !uk
Pete Mitchell newsposter:*:dmed.demon.co !uk
Peter Duck pduck:*:zetnet.co !uk
Peter Munn pmunnsub:*:pearce-neptune.demon.co !uk
Peter Thomson peter.thomson:*:dial.pipex !com
Phil Britton phil:*:paule.demon.co !uk
Phil Wade phil:*:pooters.freeserve.co !uk
Philip J West phil:*:westfamily.demon.co !uk
Philip Powell philip:*:blencathra.demon.co !uk
Richard Ashton richard:*:corixia.demon.co !uk
Richard Bates hug-me:*:cheerful !com
Richard Fairbairn richard:*:fairbairn1.demon.co !uk
Richard Gethin richard:*:rgethin.demon.co !uk
Richard Parker rparker:*:ims.ltd !uk
Robert Bird robert:*:bargee.demon.co !uk
Robert Gormley r.gormley:*:ed.ac !uk
Robert Hull Robert:*:spammenot !com
Robert Irvine robbie:*:arrakis !nu
Robert Trevellyan robt:*:ct.hughsym.co !uk
Roger Davies roger.davies:*:virgin !net
Ronan Flood R.Flood:*:noc.ulcc.ac !uk
Ross Hamilton ross:*:rossh.clara !net
Ross Younger wry20:*:cai.cam.ac !uk
Roy Bailey rbailey:*:westberks.demon.co !uk
Roy Stilling rpjs:*:kalevala.demon.co !uk
Simon Gray simon:*:star-one.org !uk
Soselina Soselina:*:aol !com
Steph Johnson Steph:*:sbjhome.cix.co !uk
Stephen Judd steve:*:sjudd.demon.co !uk
Steve Crook steve:*:brainstorm.co !uk
Steve Glennie-Smith steve:*:glennie.demon.co !uk
Steve Loft steve:*:klaatu.demon.co !uk
Steven Clarke Steven.Clarke:*:Theplanet !net
Tas Wake T.wake:*:btinternet !com
Tim Ellis tim:*:timellis.demon.co !uk
Tim Forcer tmf:*:ecs.soton.ac !uk
Tim James tim:*:timjames.demon.co !uk
Tim Sharrock tjsharrock:*:iee !org
Tim Skipper TimS:*:dataease.co !uk
Tobias Erle VOTE-UK:*:KHOLDAN.SNAFU !de
Tony Evans tony:*:tagman.demon.co !uk
Tony Game tgame:*:netcomuk.co !uk
Tony Walton tony.walton:*:uk.Sun !com
Trevor Fleming north-west-political:*:mag-uk !org
Warren Hoy warren:*:gwtech.demon.co !uk
NO Votes
Clive Martin clive:*:cmartin.demon.co !uk
Denis F bedfordtlfan:*:yahoo !com
Ellen Mizzell ellen:*:tictac.demon.co !uk
Iain Bowen alaric:*:harlech.demon.co !uk
Lee Bohan lee.bohan:*:iname !com
Michael `Mike` Crowe mikecrowe:*:mikecrowe.demon.co !uk
Paul C Dickie pcd:*:bozzie.demon.co !uk
Paul L. Allen pla:*:sktb.demon.co !uk
Peter Corlett abuse:*:verrine.demon.co !uk
Richard Clayton richard:*:turnpike !com
Steve Brown Steve:*:zaxxon.keme.co !uk
T Bruce Tober octobersdad:*:reporters !net
ABSTENTIONS
Malcolm Mladenovic mbm:*:acm !org
SJFBeckwith sjfb:*:cirra !com
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Votetakers Notes:
I think this is the largest-ever majority in the history of votes in
the UK hierarchy; it's also one of the largest-ever responses.
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PROPONENT'S SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION
The first RFD was issued on 5 Oct 1998 and was generally
received well. A second RFD, on 9 Nov 1998, made slight changes to
some of the wording.
A fast-track application was published on 5 Dec 1998, but there
were four objections.
RATIONALE: uk.local.*
The many uk.local.* newsgroups are suffering from the actions of a
minority who see fit to cross-post adverts, trolls or other irrelevant
material to many or all of them. To counter this, it is proposed that
each individual charter be amended by the addition of a paragraph to
limit such cross-posting.
PROPOSAL: uk.local.*
Each uk.local.* charter shall have inserted (immediately after the
section on advertising, where one exists; otherwise at a point to be
determined by Control) the following paragraph:
CROSS-POSTING
Messages posted to this newsgroup must not be cross-posted to
more than a TOTAL of four uk.local.* newsgroups; these may be
geographically adjacent or overlapping, or connected by the
subject of the post (e.g. "moving house from Manchester to
Birmingham").
Note that the advertising of widely-available goods or services
is *not* relevant in this context, and that most uk.local.*
groups have restrictions on advertising, or prohibit it. Cross-
posted adverts, where allowed, must meet the requirements of the
charters of *all* groups involved.
Where the charter of a specific group prohibits advertising, the above
paragraph shall be omitted.
Any existing rule on cross-posting to uk.local.* groups shall be
removed.
Welsh translations of this wording shall be inserted into the charters
of any uk.local.* group with an English Welsh bilingual charter.
The uk.local.* hierarchy charter shall have added:
Messages posted to groups in this hierarchy must not be
cross-posted to more than a TOTAL of four uk.local.*
newsgroups; these may be geographically adjacent or overlapping,
or connected by the subject of the post (e.g. "moving house from
Manchester to Birmingham". Note that the advertising of widely-
available goods or services is *not* relevant in this context,
and that most uk.local.* groups have restrictions on
advertising, or prohibit it. Cross-posted adverts, where
allowed, must meet the requirements of the charters of *all*
groups involved.
A paragraph to this effect, must be included in any future
charter for a group in this hierarchy.
Once this action has been agreed upon, Control will be asked to post the
relevant amended charter to each group individually.
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Alan Fleming
af@contract.co.uk
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