Path: eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!matrix.darkstorm.co.uk!.POSTED!matrix.darkstorm.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Pedt Scragg Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.media.newspapers Subject: RESULT : Remove unmoderated newsgroup uk.media.newspapers FAILS 9:14 Followup-To: uk.net.news.config Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:29:50 +0100 Organization: just another hole in the fabric of the internet Lines: 273 Sender: Tony Evans as Control Approved: Tony Evans as Control Message-ID: X-Trace: matrix.darkstorm.co.uk Qa06f5RZnl6VbE8+FxtdD2xzQsmlBstmnsdPiBDrGCCY7+MY/AzEC788QXVA1/k1aCBggFEn7NGPpr3QwIIthQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@matrix.darkstorm.co.uk X-User-ID: uQCVTest5AhH1VAAkGEqlZrnRaKZAqhQ3YSv+gP2/6Q= Cancel-Lock: sha1:ySb3EVFvxO3sYQJXzuiZ1sb2VEA= Xref: mx04.eternal-september.org uk.net.news.announce:300 uk.net.news.config:15316 uk.media.newspapers:3993 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Summary: Remove unmoderated newsgroup uk.media.newspapers Remove unmoderated newsgroup uk.media.newspapers FAILS 9:14 NO beat YES by a majority of 5 votes. For a removal proposal to succeed there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. ===================================================================== Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 9th July 2012. Proponent : Paul Cummins co uk> Votetaker: Pedt Scragg ===================================================================== Distribution: uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config uk.media.newspapers ===================================================================== The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period 2) Results 3) Individual Vote Details 4) Votetaker Comments 5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines 6) Rationale 7) Newsgroups Line 8) Charter ===================================================================== SUMMARY OF MAIL RECEIVED DURING THE VOTING PERIOD 31 emails were received at the ballot request address: 30 : Valid ballot requests 1 : Test by the votetaker 28 emails were received at the vote submission address: 25 : Valid votes 1 : Vote received out of time 1 : Accidental email by the votetaker 1 : Test by the votetaker ===================================================================== RESULTS: Remove unmoderated newsgroup uk.media.newspapers YES : 9 votes NO : 14 votes ABSTAIN : 2 votes ------------------- Total : 25 votes NO beat YES by a majority of 5 votes. For a removal proposal to succeed there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. ===================================================================== INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS Voted YES: Alan Lee alan # darkroom ? plus ? com Y Barry Salter barry # southie ? me ? uk Y crn crn # netunix ? com Y Graham Drabble graham # drabble ? me ? uk Y Judith Smith jmsmith2011 # hotmail ? co ? uk Y Molly Mockford xumn # mollymockford ? me ? uk Y Oliver Braggins oliver ? braggins # hotmail ? com Y Paul Cummins paulcummins # tiscali ? co ? uk Y Roger Burton West roger+unna201205 # firedrake ? org Y Voted NO: Brian Brian # bjforster ? force9 ? co ? uk N DG dg # dickgaughan ? co ? uk N Ian Clifton ian ? clifton # chem ? ox ? ac ? uk N Ian Jackson ijackson # chiark ? greenend ? org ? uk N John Blundell jcb ? news # ntlworld ? com N Mark Goodge mark # good-stuff ? co ? uk N Matthew Vernon matthew # debian ? org N Michael Parry mjp # crowsnest ? co ? uk N Mike Bristow mike # urgle ? com N Nick Leverton nick # leverton ? org N Peter Parry peter # wpp ? ltd ? uk N Richard Kettlewell rjk # terraraq ? org ? uk N Steve Firth vote # malloc ? co ? uk N Victor Meldrew vicmeld # gmail ? com N Voted ABSTAIN: Andrew Hodgson andrew # hodgsonfamily ? org A Tony tony # darkstorm ? co ? uk A REJECTED VOTES: Paul {voter} # watman ? clara ? co ? uk N Vote received out of time ===================================================================== Votetaker Comments: A straightforward vote. Many thanks to the Proponent and voters for making this an easy vote to conduct. The accidental email referred to in the summary of email received was due to me dropping an exported email into the wrong local folder. No harm done other than to a few disgruntled electrons. ===================================================================== This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting web pages can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control [AT] usenet [DOT] org [DOT] uk ===================================================================== RATIONALE The uk.* usenet hierarchy is held in high regard by News Providers because the hierarchy is well managed. Within that management is the opportunity and duty to remove groups which are not being used to any extent. According to my own news spool, there have been no on-topic postings since before August 2011, and the majority of postings are cross-posted spam from US groups. This group is clearly now not being used to any extent whatsoever. It should be removed. ===================================================================== PROPONENT's Summary of Discussion uk.media.newspapers is a group that is virtually unused but for spam and off-topic cross-posting. Although one potentially on-topic post was identified, it was agreed in discussion that this was not, in fact the case, and in any case a single valid post in over 2 years did not mean this group was viable. The discussion, as ever, moved to the general question of removing groups, and the general consensus appears to be that this group, along with others to be identified, is dead and should be given a decent burial. Although there were discussions on the validity of a single post, no-one spoke for retention of the group. As such the appearance of a complaint to the fast track was a surprise, as the objector does not appear to have taken any part in the discussion. The proponent therefore seeks a simple yes/no vote on whether this spam-filled and otherwise almost entirely unused group should be removed. ===================================================================== CHANGES from the last RFD None. ===================================================================== NEWSGROUPS LINE uk.media.newspapers Read all about it! Discussion of UK newspapers ===================================================================== CHARTER: uk.media.newspapers The uk.media.newspapers newsgroup is for the discussion of newspapers published in the UK, either on sale at news-stands or delivered free to your door, either local or national in focus. It is not intended that magazines, published separately from newspapers, will be discussed here. Advertising While discussion of advertising within newspapers is relevant and so is encouraged, posting adverts to the newsgroup is strictly forbidden, with these three exceptions: 1. Suppliers of goods and services pertinent to the production of UK newspapers may post a pointer to relevant resources on the Internet or an invitation that readers may request details from them. Such a message must not exceed six lines and must not be posted more frequently than once every nine weeks. The subject line of such a posting must begin with the word "ADVERT". 2. Advertisements containing news of jobs available within the newspaper industry may be posted, but no job may be advertised more than once, and such advertisements may not exceed twenty lines. If this is insufficient, it is recommended that the advertisement include details of where further information may be found. The subject line of such a posting must begin with the word "JOB". Cross-posting such advertisements to uk.jobs.offered is appropriate. 3. Participants in discussions may include references to their newspaper-related business in their signature only if the signature does not exceed four lines. Binaries All posts must be made in plain text; HTML and other types of formatted text are forbidden. Posting URLs of relevant Internet sites, where appropriate, is encouraged. With the explicit exception of PGP signatures, all encoded binaries are forbidden. Forbidden binaries include, but are not limited to: pictures, sounds, word processor documents, executable programs and "business cards". You are invited to read a guide on the World Wide Web at http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html for further information on how to configure your newsreader to post to uk.* newsgroups. Anyone posting advertisements, binaries or other material contrary to this charter may be reported to their ISP or postmaster. 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